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The greatest driver you never saw

Postby nayr37 » February 13th, 2010, 4:52 pm

Tommy Byrne

never heard of him, until I came across a piece on F1-live.


http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/8578.html

By now you may have heard of Tommy Byrne, the release of his brutally honest autobiography a year ago gained him notoriety among F1 fans, but unfortunately the public's consciousness came about 25 years too late.

For those still unfamiliar with Byrne, he is the antithesis of Lewis Hamilton. That's not to say he was slow, in fact in his prime he may well have been quicker, but his character was about as far away from the PR trained and perfectly presented modern F1 driver as it is possible to get. Nevertheless, just like Hamilton, it was McLaren that gave him his big F1 break. Sadly it wasn't quite as successful.

In little over five years Byrne went from driving a Mini Cooper in Irish stockcar racing to the big-time in Formula One. He openly admits it was something of a culture shock for a "knacker from Dundalk" to arrive in the F1 paddock. But he was definitely ready for the opportunity after securing championship victories in British Formula Ford and British F3, during which he had caught Ayrton Senna's attention as a serious rival. Sadly his first F1 drive came with the under-funded and painfully slow Theodore team in 1982. To his credit Byrne qualified for two of the races, but his prodigious talent went largely unnoticed and he left the team after a bust up with its management at the US Grand Prix in Las Vegas. But for Byrne the Theodore drive was just the warm-up, he knew his big opportunity would come with McLaren and a test at Silverstone that it was contractually obliged (due to its sponsor Marlboro) to offer him.

On the day of his test he was pitted against Theirry Boutsen, with a number of other up-and-coming drivers sampling the car during the week. Boutsen went out first but came back complaining of understeer after setting a time of 1:10.9s. It was a respectable lap, and as the car was prepared for Byrne, the Irishman knew it would be a defining moment in his career.

Tommy Byrne had an unsuccessful few races with Theodore before the McLaren test © Sutton Images

"I badly wanted to show those f***ers from Theodore how wrong they were," recalls Byrne. "But here was Boutsen talking about understeer and he was a guy I respected as quick. But once I got in the car my worries completely dissolved. Yes, there was some understeer, but all I did was brake a bit earlier, turn in a bit earlier and get on the gas a bit earlier. Result: no understeer! The car was unbelievably good."

His best time of 1:10.1s was unbelievably good too. Although not directly comparable, it was the fastest time any McLaren had ever recorded at Silverstone, including the qualifying times set by Niki Lauda and John Watson in the same car at that year's British Grand Prix. If that wasn't enough, he had set three identical lap times of 1:10.1 on his final three laps. It was an astounding feat of consistency for such an inexperienced driver, surely there was another side to the story.

The truth is there was another side to the story, although it might not be quite what you'd expect. It turned out McLaren wasn't being completely honest with Byrne. One of its mechanics that day, Tony Vandungen, later spilt the beans: "My recollection is that we were instructed to give Tommy less than full throttle - and only Tommy, not the others. I honestly don't believe it was to screw Tommy, more to protect him and the car. This wasn't a show car, but it was an active race car, one of the team's pukka cars, and damaging it would not have been good. He then went very fast regardless and we all had a good laugh about it, thinking just how fast he could have gone."

But what about those lap times? Surely Byrne couldn't put in such impressive laps without full throttle. A witness at the test and one of Tommy's friends, John Uprichard, had a stopwatch that was telling a different story to McLaren's.

"I started timing him and he was going up to one second faster than what they were showing," said Uprichard. "I went to the team and asked them why the hell weren't they showing the proper times? By the end he was in the 1:09s. His last three laps I had down at 1:09.9s, 1:09.7s, 1:09.6s."

McLaren never did reveal why it didn't show Byrne's true times, but the bigger question was why it didn't offer him a drive. Ron Dennis has often been posed with the question, even more so after the autobiography's release, but always meets it with a stock response.

"I think most people who saw him race would agree that he had what it takes, in terms of the gift of naked car control, to go all the way. But perhaps he lacked some of the other necessary ingredients - the steely determination, the unflinching focus and the towering ambition that mark out the true greats. He was clearly quick - and, had his undoubted talent been matched by an equal quantity of the other traits a top racing driver requires, then he might have become a true great, and I would have been delighted if he had done so at a wheel of a McLaren. Sadly, it wasn't to be."

But whether he had those "ingredients" or not - and there are plenty who believe he did - there is no doubt that less motivated men have driven for top teams, some with McLaren no less - Michael Andretti springs to mind. But due to the unfair system within F1, Byrne's talent and personality was lost to the sport. It's definitely a point worth dwelling on as we enter a new season with three or four pay drivers on the grid and very few genuine characters.

Quotes taken with permission from Crashed and Byrned by Tommy Byrne and Mark Hughes



I dont know the full story, but my god even with all that talent, is the F1 circle really that shallow?

Anybody recall what the story from their own recollections?

anyone read the book?
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Re: The greatest driver you never saw

Postby Everso Biggyballies » February 13th, 2010, 8:15 pm

You have touched on an EB nerve.... I cant speak as one who never saw him race, as I did see him race a few times, and yes he was simply awesome. I think in the world of F3 and Junior formulae he made the likes of Senna look average.

That story above although basically true does not tell the full story as I remember it.

I know Tommy Byrne was awesome in British F3 in 1982 and before that in FF2000 in 1981.... I will delve back a year or so in his career, if only to highlight what an enormous talent the bloke had.

In 1981, TB won the British and European FF2000 Championships in a works Van Diemen. A young bloke, back then known as Ayrton Senna da Silva, was the Van Diemen works FF1600 driver.... he cracked the shits over something and ran home to Brazil the week before the famous Formula Ford Festival, basically the World Cup and a super important event for drivers sponsors and teams. Ayrton left the team in the shit, and Tommy Byrne stepped into a car he didnt know and promptly won the Festival outright.

His next race was the 1982 season opener of British F3, a category he had stepped up to. It was a major meeting, a big televised F3 event, his first ever in F3. He was driving an outdated car, an 81 spec car a year older that all the main drivers. He promptly won the race. And 4 of the first 5 races, all in the 81 spec car.

In 1982 he was up against the likes of Roberto Moreno, Martin Brundle, David Leslie, Emmanuelle Pirro and other names. He was the standout driver winning races at will it seemed. He was hot property I guess, and early in his F3 year he was offered a full time testing contract with McLaren. He knocked them back!

He chose instead to take an F1 race seat at Theodore that he was also offered. After all who wants to test when you can race F1 He missed a few rounds of the F3 Championship mid year when he jumped at the Theodore F1 drive. F1 didnt work out at all for him, the car was hopeless, and he actually spun out of the two actual starts he got, having DNQ'd in 3. Jan Lammers crashed out of the only race he qualified for in the Theodore.

So he returned to the British F3 championship he had left behind to go F1 where he continued his winning ways and, despite having missed many rounds still won the F3 championship.

I just dug out his F3 results from 1982 for all the races he ran in.....

1,1,4(10 sec penalty) 1,1,1,5,6,6,4,1,3,2,1,4,2,
In a few of thee races he managed Pole F/L and the win.

He also won the Autosport National Race Driver of the Year award in 1982.


I think the 'one off' F1 test with McLaren detailed above was at the end of the year he had knocked them back and was a reward for winning the F3 Championship. Basically he WAS stitched up in the test, as told above in the ESPN quote, because Ron (Dennis) didnt like this Irish bloke who had 6 months earlier knocked him back. F1 is and was a very shallow environment, particularly where Ron Dennis was involved sadly. :x

The fact he did not gain alternative employment was very much as a result of 'certain people' spreading adverse publicity about him. It has to be said he was a tad on the well lets say self assured side, which perhaps didnt go down well.

Actually I believe that his fastest lap time at that McLaren test was, as well as being 2 seconds faster than Lauda and Watson, was the third-fastest ever ground effect F1 lap of the Silverstone GP circuit...

For 1983 he moved into European F3, but although he scored three or four podiums he did not feature in the championship. Had he stayed in the British F3 championship he would have been in the Senna / Brundle F3 battle that year, and who knows what would have happened

He then moved to the States and raced there in the Champ Car feeder series, came second two years running, before starting a Race / advanced driving school. I think he is still involved in driver coaching over there.
I believe his driving school is called 'Crash or Byrne' Driver Development

Ultimately I think his big problem was that he actually said no to a testing contract, upsetting Ron and the establishment, and chose to run in F1 for Theodore and ultimately suffered from it. It was not a team to prove your skills in. I think his self belief may have in turn led him into believing he would achieve unheard of things in the car and become an overnight legend.

He was also not of the F1 mould, more of a Kimi, or a James Hunt..... he loved a big night out with a few beers. Without wishing to incriminate him I thinkaway from racing he also wasnt averse to the old Columbian Dancing Powder.
He was also a pal of Gerhard Berger and big on practical jokes.

Funny story about Tommy..... he was born in the back seat of his Dads car as they were rushing to hospital!. I also recall he had music headphones painted on his crash helmet.

By the way I have found an article that I remembered, written by Joe Saward, which mentions Tommy and Gerhard in the 1983 European F3 Champs.....

It was some months before I discovered that Gerhard was actually barking mad. In Spain a few weeks later Gerhard, Tommy Byrne (who is as mad as Gerhard) and others started an enormous water fight in the paddock. You could not go anywhere without getting soaked by one of the drivers. They were hiding behind trucks or on the roof of the pits. It got completely out of control when a Spaniard in a blazer - the president of some automobile club - turned up looking important and was promptly soaked from head to foot. The locals quickly banned water fighting.

One evening Gerhard and Tommy continued their battle at their hotel. Gerhard managed to get into Tommy's hotel room and threw everything he could find out of the window and into the hotel swimming pool. Byrne and his mechanic Seamus Campbell (who is now a sober and stable citizen and managing-director of Galmer Engineering) set about dismantling Berger's road car - loaned to him by the BMW factory - and threw as much as possible into the pool. Windscreen wipers were followed by wheels, headlights and then the tool box. If Byrne and Campbell had an ignition key I am sure the car would have gone in too.

Gerhard and Tommy spent the evening duck-diving in the pool, collecting toothbrushes, clothes and sparkplugs, and then they went out to find a new hotel because the management would not have them back.

It was in Jarama that I first drove with Gerhard. We had gone somewhere in his BMW and on the way back he took a wrong turning onto a motorway. Gerhard braked calmly and then drove backwards - at top speed. I remember being very impressed when a truck came into our path and he simply jinked the wheel and went past, still talking about something or other. After that I started to refer to him as "talented" in my race reports.

I didn't go to Macau that year but Gerhard and Tommy had plenty of fun and games. They threw the captain off a junk in Hong Kong harbour and tore up pillows on the aeroplane on the flight back to Europe, filling the entire plane with feathers.


My belief: Tommy Byrne not making it to F1 'proper' was more F1's loss.

Oh, I have not read the book but that is more an oversight than intent. I know of some who have and recommend it.
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Re: The greatest driver you never saw

Postby Everso Biggyballies » February 13th, 2010, 8:23 pm

Re the book.....

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Crashed-and-Byrn ... 519046f6be

New and unused: A$22 including p&p. Im getting one! ;)
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Re: The greatest driver you never saw

Postby Everso Biggyballies » February 13th, 2010, 10:21 pm

A couple of pics of Tommy Byrne in the Theodore, top pic is at Las Vegas 1982, and the other is at Hockenheimwhere he DNQd.

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Re: The greatest driver you never saw

Postby Everso Biggyballies » February 14th, 2010, 1:12 am

A review of the book btw....

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Wherever petrolheads gather, you are likely to hear the same impassioned debate: who is the greatest driver of all time?

By Andrew Baker

Chequered past of Formula One?s 'greatest? driver Tommy Byrne -

Some will argue for Juan Manuel Fangio, some for Jim Clark, some for Alain Prost and many for Ayrton Senna. One or two – usually wearing lederhosen and Ferrari T-shirts – may make a case for Michael Schumacher.

But there are those in the Formula One paddock, who have been around for a while, who will shake their heads. Eddie Jordan, for example, the former team owner who took Schumacher into F1, will tell you: “Forget Senna and Schuey. Tommy Byrne was the best of them all.”

Tommy who? The answer is in Crashed and Byrned – The Greatest Racing Driver You Never Saw, by Byrne himself and Mark Hughes (Icon Books, £10.99), one of the most extraordinary sporting autobiographies you are likely to come across.

Byrne is a diminutive Irishman who now earns his crust as a driver coach in the United States. But in the 1980s he was the most promising young driver of his generation. But for bad luck and poor judgment, he would surely have enjoyed a long and prosperous career at the top of motor sport. Instead, Byrne’s F1 career was limited to a handful of races for the under-funded Theodore team and a test outing for McLaren that has become the stuff of legend. In a nutshell, Byrne blew the doors off anyone he raced, and other promising drivers – notably Senna – avoided competing against him for as long as they could.

The fact that he never got a top-line F1 drive may be to do with Byrne’s baggage. Brought up in a troubled household during the sectarian violence of the 1970s, the young Byrne dropped out of school and became, by his own admission, a thief, boozer and womaniser. He had mended his ways – at least in the first two regards – by the time he arrived in England to seek his fortune as a racing driver, but he retained a barely suppressible contempt for any form of authority, and an uncanny knack for not only looking gift horses in the mouth, but frequently punching them there as well.

Motor racing is a great sport for “what ifs” and “if onlys”, and Byrne must have had many a rueful glance back. But this rip-roaring autobiography rarely indulges in self-pity. There isn’t time. In between the racing there are girls, guns, billionaires, fights, parties and orgies. It would be a tremendous book with the sport left out – and there aren’t many sporting books of which you can say that.



Another review here from The (London) Times
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Re: The greatest driver you never saw

Postby nightcrawler » February 17th, 2010, 6:48 pm

What a waste of a great talent! Need more reasons for my hatred towards Ron Dennis? As much as I appreciate his contribution to the sport, he still tops the list of people I hate... :x
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Re: The greatest driver you never saw

Postby Eno the Wonderdog » February 17th, 2010, 7:08 pm

Does anyone remember an internet thingy where you could type in any sentence and they'd turn it into "Ron-speak"?? It was very silly..
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Re: The greatest driver you never saw

Postby Yoda » February 17th, 2010, 7:12 pm

LoL, yeah I remember that, don't know what happened to it though?
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Re: The greatest driver you never saw

Postby Everso Biggyballies » February 18th, 2010, 3:49 am

Ronspeak Translator here

I remembered if you type in McLaren engine it comes out with a goodie....;)
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Re: The greatest driver you never saw

Postby nightcrawler » February 25th, 2010, 7:10 am

It would be interesting to get hold of that book. I've never even heard of the guy until now and to think Ayrton Senna rated him and he was biblically fast in the Mclaren. We know F1 is a ruthless environment but still there seems to be more than that meets the eye. Hmmm...
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Re: The greatest driver you never saw

Postby nayr37 » March 6th, 2010, 4:17 pm

Just finished reading the book.

He pissed all that talent away. Unbelievable.

No doubt he came up against some resistance, by his own admissions he was a bogon, so no surprise the glamorous world of Formula 1 would be less than enthusiastic.

Its a story of coulda woulda shoulda ...

Seriously this guy had greater potential than Senna, with an attitude adjustment 30 years earlier he may have been a household name today as well.
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Re: The greatest driver you never saw

Postby ninwishes » April 16th, 2010, 5:37 pm

The Byrne's story is amazing- a pity he's so little known now.

Makes you wonder how much arse even the recent crop of even supposedly "non-publicity-friendly-drivers" (Raikkonen in particular springs to mind) must kiss to ensure their employment.

Of the big names though, I'd go with Graham Hill- the veritable Cary Grant of 60's motor racing.
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Re: The greatest driver you never saw

Postby Eno the Wonderdog » April 17th, 2010, 1:06 pm

Ahh - Graham Hill - we're talking my boyhood hero here.. :cloud9:
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